Meeting Recording
Note: Summary notes of the meeting are below the video in this article.
Summary:
Treasury Bond (TLT) Strategy: Stephen Cox addressed the question regarding selling put options on TLT, which is an instrument tracking United States 10-year or 20-year-plus Treasury bonds. Stephen Cox explained that TLT value decreases when interest rates rise, and buying it serves as a bet that interest rates have peaked. Stephen Cox noted that while inflationary pressures exist, particularly regarding crude oil and conflicts involving the United States, Iran, and Iraq, selling put options on TLT is a recommended strategy. Stephen Cox suggested using a strike price of 83 or 84. Furthermore, if investors end up owning the shares, they will receive a dividend of just over 4% annually, and they can generate additional income by selling covered calls. Stephen Cox does not recommend a "roll out" strategy, suggesting instead that investors accept the assignment and then sell call options.
Gold Technical Analysis: Stephen Cox outlined their process for assessing day trading setups using gold futures as an example. Stephen Cox emphasized that investors must first assess the longer-term view before focusing on short-term movements. By drawing trend lines between the highs from January, March, May, and June, Stephen Cox identified an intermediate downtrend in gold. The strategy involves identifying support and resistance areas on a daily timeframe to determine if the asset will break out of a range or trade lower. Stephen Cox noted a preference for trading the downside on gold given the current intermediate downtrend.
Day Trading and RSI: Stephen Cox detailed using a 15-minute chart with a 14-period Relative Strength Index (RSI) to identify short-term trading signals. The strategy involves looking for an RSI reading above 70 to signal an overbought state, then waiting for the uptrend to break before entering a short position. Stephen Cox stressed that traders should let the primary trend dictate their direction and emphasized extreme discipline. Regarding stop-losses, Stephen Cox expressed a strong preference against using them, citing that market makers can see these orders and potentially manipulate prices to trigger them, causing losses for the trader. Stephen Cox recommended watching the screen personally rather than relying on automated stop-loss orders.
Selection of 15-Minute Trading Windows: In response to a question from Nanik Hotwani, Stephen Cox clarified that the 15-minute timeframe is a personal preference to reduce false signals often found in 2-minute or 5-minute charts. Stephen Cox advised that each trader should back-test different instruments, as they behave differently, and noted that trading on very short timeframes like one minute may not cover the bid-ask spread.
Trading Availability: Stephen Cox confirmed that futures markets, such as those for gold or the S&P 500, are available for trading 24 hours a day, five days a week, from Sunday night to Friday night. For the S&P 500, when the cash market is closed, traders can use futures contracts like MEES or ES, or switch to SPY when the market is open.
S&P 500 Market Overview: Stephen Cox discussed the S&P 500's reaction to the renewed conflict between the United States and Iran, noting that while oil prices rose significantly, the market stabilized. Stephen Cox observed that the market is currently "taking the conflict with a pinch of salt" but warned that the situation could escalate, potentially causing a sell-off. Consequently, Stephen Cox advised patience, noting that the cash market is still in a series of lower highs and it is not yet the time for the put option strategy.
Federal Reserve and Forward Guidance: Nanik Hotwani asked about market reactions to potential interest rate hikes. Stephen Cox explained that because the new Federal Reserve chair has indicated they will no longer provide forward guidance, the market will focus heavily on what is said during meetings, similar to how companies are scrutinized during earnings reports. Stephen Cox noted that this lack of guidance makes the market's reaction to future rate hikes unpredictable, as investors are left guessing about the Fed's long-term intentions.
Federal Reserve Tools and Market Psychology: Discussing the Fed's tools to fight inflation, Stephen Cox noted that they can influence the economy by purchasing bonds. Stephen Cox referenced the view of economist Edward Yardeni, who suggested that by committing to rate hikes now, the Fed could actually lower future interest rates by bringing inflation under control, rather than allowing it to run too high.
Earnings Expectations and Market Valuation: Stephen Cox argued that the market's forward-looking nature is driven significantly by expected future profits. Earnings expectations for the S&P 500 rose from approximately $350 to $400 following the first quarter. Stephen Cox believes that as long as earnings remain strong and AI-driven efficiencies improve productivity, the current bull market will continue, serving as a larger driver for stock prices than interest rate hikes.
Earnings Season Risks: Nanik Hotwani raised concerns about the market pricing in perfection, suggesting that if companies fail to meet earnings expectations, a sell-off could occur. Stephen Cox agreed that while a temporary pullback of 5% to 10% is possible if earnings are not "good enough," they would view such an event as a buying opportunity rather than a negative development.
Long-Term Investment Strategy: Michael Carroll asked about building a "kitty" and waiting for pullbacks to invest in the S&P 500. Stephen Cox advised against trying to time the market's peaks and valleys, recommending instead that investors dollar-cost average into their positions. Stephen Cox shared that they encourage their 19-year-old child to invest a portion of their wages monthly, taking advantage of fractional shares and the lack of significant commission costs.
Disney and Alaska Airlines: Stephen Cox advised waiting for the mid-80s to purchase Disney stock. Regarding Alaska Airlines, Stephen Cox noted that while they remain a long-term buyer, the recent spike in oil prices—a major cost for airlines—has negatively impacted the stock, potentially pushing it back down to 42 if oil prices hit $100 per barrel.
Nvidia and Microsoft Outlook: Stephen Cox identified Nvidia as a strong buy for the long term, despite a recent consolidation. Additionally, Stephen Cox stated that Microsoft, which they previously avoided, now appears cheap and represents a potential investment.
SpaceX Assessment: Stephen Cox expressed interest in SpaceX, noting its recent inclusion in the NASDAQ 100, which may drive institutional buying. Stephen Cox suggested that investors are buying into the future of AI and space travel rather than current broadband earnings, making it a "gamble".
Long-Term Gold Investment: Stephen Cox maintained a positive outlook for gold as a long-term holding, predicting it will eventually trade above 5,000. They suggested that building a position in gold is a reasonable strategy for long-term investors.
Memory Stocks (SanDisk and Seagate): Clive Wisdom asked about the outlook for SanDisk and Seagate following recent declines. Stephen Cox noted that while the recent 32% pullback for SanDisk looks steep, it must be viewed in the context of a 500% to 700% gain since the beginning of the year. Stephen Cox emphasized that despite limited data, the high expected earnings growth for 2025 to 2027 supports the stock's long-term potential and recommended buying the pullback.
NASDAQ 100 Analysis: Stephen Cox compared the earnings growth potential of different companies in the NASDAQ 100, noting that while the recent decline in some stocks looks similar to SanDisk, the expected earnings growth is lower, leading to a more cautious view on those specific stocks.
SpaceX Swing Trading: In response to a query from Nanik Hotwani, Stephen Cox recommended allocating no more than 5% of a portfolio for swing trading SpaceX, or 2% for long-term holding. Stephen Cox reiterated their stance against using stop-losses, advising instead that traders should have a clear exit price if the trade goes wrong, given that the stock can move 10% in a heartbeat.
Oracle Investment Analysis: Stephen Cox discussed Oracle, noting the risks related to shifting consultancy fees in the AI era. While Oracle has returned to a support area, Stephen Cox suggested waiting a few days to ensure the stock trends sideways before entering. Stephen Cox mentioned that while analysts estimate a price of 254, they would use a lower price-to-earnings multiple of 20 for their own valuation, resulting in a target price of approximately 200.
Geopolitical Timing: The group discussed the potential escalation of the conflict between the United States and Iran. Philip Lambert suggested being wary of the weekend of July 19th, citing the end of the World Cup as a potential trigger point for significant actions, as the event is a matter of personal importance to the political figures involved.
AMD Stock Assessment: Philip Lambert asked about AMD. Stephen Cox indicated that while they were a buyer in the past, they now consider AMD significantly overvalued compared to Nvidia. Stephen Cox recommended taking profits and exiting the position.
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