Meeting Recording
Note: Summary notes of the meeting are below the video in this article.
Summary:
S&P 500 Outlook and Target: Stephen Cox shared the overall outlook for the S&P 500, suggesting that the stock market reflects future expected profits of companies, which has been buoyed by a significant acceleration in earnings this quarter (00:00:00). Forecasted earnings per share for the S&P 500 next year are expected to be around $375, representing an anticipated growth rate of about 13.6% (00:01:33). Based on a 20 times earnings multiple, the S&P 500 could target 7,500, but Stephen Cox personally forecasts the S&P 500 will reach 8,000 by the end of the year, driven by strong earnings momentum and forward guidance (00:03:57).
S&P 500 Valuation and Moving Parts: The valuation of the S&P 500 is not straightforward, as the P/E multiple can shift depending on the future outlook, potentially reaching a valuation multiple of 22 based on factors like AI efficiency and full employment (00:01:33). Although the current earnings per share outlook is $375, this figure is likely to be revised upwards due to strong earnings momentum, unless geopolitical or trade war events shift the outlook (00:02:49). The current strong performance of the S&P is attributed to strong earnings and robust earnings forecasts (00:03:57).
Technical Analysis and Expected Pullback: Stephen Cox explained that the previous resistance line on the S&P 500 has been broken through due to strong earnings, and this old resistance now acts as support, suggesting a retest at some point (00:05:57). The S&P 500 is currently nearly 7% above its 50-day moving average (the purple line), and deviations this large from the mean generally lead to a market pullback to revert to the mean (00:06:54). Although they are overly bullish for the year, Stephen Cox expects a short-term pullback in the coming weeks or months to revert to the mean before the market goes higher again (00:07:57).
Federal Reserve Policy and Interest Rates: In response to Nanik Hotwani's question, Stephen Cox confirmed that the market has already priced in the potential policies of the new Fed governor, Kevin Walsh. They indicated that the bond markets are not currently pricing in rate cuts, as the latest data suggests the US economy is performing well and inflation from higher oil prices still needs to filter through the economy (00:08:55). Therefore, Stephen Cox does not foresee interest rate cuts occurring without a significant deterioration in the labor market or much lower inflation data (00:10:23).
Stock Specific Analysis (Alphabet/Google and Microsoft): The top seven companies in the S&P 500 account for nearly 35% of the index's value, making their performance highly relevant to the overall S&P 500 (00:12:23). Stephen Cox advised that Alphabet/Google stock should not be sold, as the earnings outlook is expected to continue rising, despite current expectations suggesting it is fully valued (00:11:26). The current fully valued status of Google contributes to Stephen Cox's argument that a short-term correction is likely (00:12:23).
Patience and Short Put Strategy Timing: Stephen Cox emphasized the importance of patience and avoiding the fear of missing out (FOMO), despite the current frustrating market conditions where trade premiums are too low for the short put strategy. A market pullback of only 3% could quickly double the premiums, making the 6,800 put an attractive trade (00:14:23). The short put strategy should be executed when the pullback happens, as being safe is prioritized over prematurely entering a trade and risking a significant loss if the market wobbles (00:15:21).
Meta Stock Recommendation: When asked about Meta, Stephen Cox expressed a very positive view, saying they would buy it now and see an upside potential of 40% (00:16:15). They anticipate that the narrative around Meta will change once the company releases earnings and addresses capital expenditure (CapEx) cuts. The market is currently questioning whether Meta's CapEx spending will yield the necessary returns, while other companies like Alphabet and Google are seen as spending wisely (00:17:09).
Alternative Option Strategies During Wait Period: Nanik Hotwani inquired about alternative option strategies while waiting for a pullback, leading Stephen Cox to recommend considering debit-type strategies due to the current low volatility (00:19:11). They outlined two potential strategies for SPY: a low-probability, directional bear put spread if one is bearish and expects a market fall, or a bull call spread if one is bullish (00:20:13) (00:23:16). Stephen Cox prefers shorter time frames of two to three weeks for bare put spreads, as the move needs to happen closer to expiration to maximize the profit realized from the erosion of time value in the options (00:26:39).
Oil Price and Airline Sector Outlook: The high oil price has contributed to the energy sector's significant increase, which is a component of the S&P 500 (00:28:34). Stephen Cox believes oil prices will eventually return to the $70β$80 per barrel range in the medium term, expecting a negotiated settlement in current conflicts (00:30:29). They see airlines like Alaska and Ryanair as good long-term investments, anticipating a 25% to 30% upside over one to two years (00:39:33). The key risk for airlines is Q4, as they may be forced to hedge their fuel costs at higher prices if oil remains elevated (00:38:33).
TLT Put Option Strategy: Stephen Cox recommended selling put options on TLT (the bond market ETF) for those with an Interactive Brokers account as a way to generate premium. This is considered a safer trade than the S&P 500, with a target of around 1% yield for a 38-day trade, with them suggesting an $85 strike price expiring in June (00:33:41). For a $10,000 account, they indicated that writing three contracts of the TLT put option is acceptable, as the risk levels are lower than the S&P 500 and the margin impact is low (00:35:40).
Gold and Silver Recommendations: Stephen Cox advised members to hold gold and not sell it, but they cautioned against buying it now if they do not already own it. In contrast, they view silver as a commodity to trade rather than own, recommending that anyone holding a silver position should look to start offloading it at the current high levels, near the 87 level in silver futures (00:40:36).
Meeting Summary and Patience Reiteration: Stephen Cox concluded by summarizing the main takeaway, which is the need for continued patience while awaiting a market pullback. They reaffirmed the belief that the market will revert to the mean, and a 2% to 3% pullback would be the opportune moment to execute the short put trade, expressing confidence that patience will be rewarded (00:41:29).
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