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April 23rd Members Meeting recording

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Meeting Recording

Note: Summary notes of the meeting are below the video in this article.
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Summary Notes:

  • S&P 500 Market Overview and Earnings Focus: Stephen Cox provided an update on S&P 500 futures, noting indecision but highlighting that the market is beginning to focus on earnings. Companies are currently exceeding earnings expectations and raising forward guidance, which suggests that S&P 500 valuation multiples are no longer considered extremely stretched based on forward earnings. The primary risk remains a US recession, which would cause a market sell-off as traders factor in lower future profits, but currently, higher profits are being priced in.

  • S&P 500 Year-End Target and Strategy: Stephen Cox maintained their year-end target of 8,000 for the S&P 500, anticipating a gradual increase with periods of instability. The recommendation for these volatile periods is to "keep buying on the wobbly bits". The market appears to be successfully managing $100 oil prices without significant issues.

  • Management of Current Bear Put Spread Trade: Stephen Cox discussed a current bear put spread trade, which was a low-probability bet (less than 10% chance) intended to profit from a market fall below 6,700. The trade is not moving in the desired direction, and given the low likelihood of the S&P 500 reaching 6,700 by next week, managing the losing trade is necessary. A management plan was introduced to minimize the potential loss on a 10K account, reducing it to approximately €10 by closing out one leg of the trade.

  • Bear Put Spread Management Timeline: Stephen Cox stated a preference to wait until the following day to see if there is a market shakeout before closing the 6,800 put, although they would not object if a trader chose to close it immediately. Closing one leg of the trade leaves a short 6,700 put, but the statistical probability of it expiring worthless by next Thursday is 99.9%.

  • Market Pullback Expectations and Geopolitical Impact: Michael Carroll asked if a slight market pullback was expected before the weekend, but Stephen Cox indicated that it is difficult to predict short-term movements. Stephen Cox noted the strange environment where European news reports negative headlines regarding high fuel costs and airline route cuts, while the US side is reporting positive company news. Geopolitical events, such as Iran's actions involving tankers, have not significantly spooked the market, suggesting resilience.

  • Airlines Sector Analysis and Alaska Airlines: Alaska Airlines was discussed as an example of a company on the watch list that did not give forward guidance due to volatility in oil prices, which constitutes about a third of an airline's costs. Stephen Cox suggested that some airlines might be strategically using fuel costs as an excuse to cancel unprofitable routes. They indicated they would still be a buyer of Alaska Airlines for the medium to long term, believing the stock is cheap and will be rewarded once oil prices stabilize between $70 and $80 a barrel.

  • Alaska Airlines Takeover Speculation and Investment Strategy: Michael Carroll raised the possibility of Alaska Airlines being a takeover target, which Stephen Cox viewed as a positive prospect. Stephen Cox recommended buying Alaska Airlines as an investment (holding for three to five years) rather than trading it, especially when the sector is depressed. Ryanair was also mentioned as presenting good value around €22-€23.

  • Airline Sector Outlook and AI Impact: Stephen Cox favors airlines as an investment sector because they are unlikely to be negatively impacted by AI, unlike companies such as Adobe, which has seen its share price drop significantly. The sector's biggest cost (fuel) is likely to decrease over time, and the stocks have already sold off heavily due to the associated risk, making them attractive investment candidates.

  • Upcoming Short Put Trade Setup for May Expiry: Stephen Cox outlined the next short put trade for the S&P 500, targeting the May expiry. For a 10K account, they suggested a bet size of 12, ensuring the margin remains under 40% of the account value. The proposed strike price is 6,600, which is approximately 7.5% below the previous day's market close, aligning with the established trading rules.

  • Optimizing the May Short Put Trade Entry: Stephen Cox expressed a hope for a market pullback to the 7,000 level before placing the May trade. A pullback would allow them to generate more premium and potentially lower the strike to 6,500, increasing the opportunity for income. Patrick inquired about averaging into the position, which Stephen Cox affirmed as a viable option for those who want to begin their position immediately.

  • Margin Calculation and Total Account Value: Michael Carroll asked if the 40% margin calculation should be based on the cash value or the total account value, including stocks. Stephen Cox confirmed that the calculation should be based on the total value of the account, as stocks are not considered high risk. However, if the account holds multiple naked option positions moving in the same direction, they advised reducing the margin usage.

  • Preference for MES Futures Contracts: Stephen Cox explained their preference for using MES (micro S\&P 500 futures) over SPY options due to the extended trading hours of MES, which allows for closing trades 24/5. SPY options can only be closed during the limited 8-hour market window. Sticking to the 40% margin rule is key to managing the different margin treatment of MES.

  • MES Trade Example and Profit Potential: An example was provided for the MES trade using the May 29th expiry for the June futures contract, selling the 6,600 strike. The probability of profit is calculated at 96%. For a 10K account, selling two contracts would involve a margin impact of approximately $2,400 and yield a return of 3.2%.

  • Bond Market and Interest Rate Concerns: Stephen Cox highlighted the importance of watching bond yields, noting that higher interest rates are generally negative for the stock market. Recent market behavior suggests that the "panic is over" in the bond market, and it is acting rationally again. Higher interest rates create concerns regarding private credit issues, especially for AI startups, and increase borrowing costs and the discounted rate on stocks.

  • Gold and Silver Investment Strategy: Stephen Cox characterized gold as a long-term hold that is likely to retest its previous high as the dollar weakens. Silver's chart structure is better than gold's, as it has broken out of its downtrend, but Stephen Cox is not a fan of long-term silver investing and would prefer to trade it due to its volatility. An exit price for silver was suggested around $80 to $81 on the ETF.

  • Selling Puts on Silver (SLV): The strategy of selling puts on silver, specifically using the SLV ETF, was confirmed as a favorable approach. Selling puts at the support level, such as the $60 strike, offers good premiums (around 1.5% income) and an 86% probability of profit, which can be rolled out and down. Stephen Cox emphasized that selling premium, particularly on down days, is the preferred strategy in the current market environment, given the difficulty of selecting individual winning stocks.

  • Understanding RSI Time Periods: Nanik Hotwani questioned the meaning of the RSI indicator settings, and Stephen Cox clarified that the RSI 14 refers to 14 periods, not 14 days, and that the calculation frequency depends on the selected time frame (e.g., 15 minutes, 30 minutes, or daily). They confirmed that their analysis utilizes a yearly chart on a daily time frame.

  • Cash Allocation and Investment Bullishness: Regarding the appropriate balance between cash and invested equities, Stephen Cox stated there is no hard and fast rule. Given their current bullish outlook on the S\&P 500, they would not object to a diversified portfolio being fully invested. The maintenance margin required for selling puts means that the cash held for collateral is still being actively put to work.

  • Short Put Strategy vs. Direct Index Investment: Stephen Cox argued that the short put strategy is likely to be more profitable (potentially yielding a 28% return) than investing directly in the S&P 500 index for the rest of the year, which is projected to yield about 12%. They would only advise buying the index outright if a person lacked the expertise to sell puts or was constrained by their investment structure.

  • Recommended Stocks and the Impact of AI: Stephen Cox offered a list of stocks they currently favor: Alaska Airlines, Nvidia (despite recent gains), and Microsoft (on weakness). They expressed concerns about Salesforce, suggesting they might be in trouble due to AI's ability to generate code, which could force companies to lower product prices or dramatically improve their AI tools, though Salesforce might be a strong takeover candidate. Uber was also mentioned as a strong outside bet for the robo-taxi future.

  • PayPal Analysis and Strategy: Michael Carroll asked about PayPal, which Stephen Cox considers "way behind the curve". They noted the stock's recent recovery is due to being a potential takeover target for Stripe. For current stockholders, the recommendation was to sell a covered call to take some profit off the table, particularly since the stock has reached a resistance point.

  • Oil Trading Strategy: Stephen Cox suggested a bearish stance on oil in the medium term, recommending a bare put spread using an ETF like USO, extended over two or three months to allow time for a pullback. They proposed a target range of 110/100 for the spread. In response to Nanik Hotwani's bullish thesis based on slow production ramp-up, Stephen Cox agreed that oil prices could remain elevated for a while, making the market hard to call. They ultimately recommended selling puts way out of the money on USO, as this strategy is less risky and profitable, with a $100 strike potentially yielding about 1%.

  • Bitcoin Technical Outlook and Quantum Computing Risk: Technically, Bitcoin has broken out of its downtrend and could rise to $85,000. Stephen Cox posed a question about the future impact of quantum computing on Bitcoin mining, speculating that increased efficiency could potentially lead to an oversupply of Bitcoin.

  • TLT and S&P 500 Forward Strategy: Stephen Cox projected that bond rates will operate between 4% and 4.5% for the rest of the year. They recommended selling puts on TLT at the 86 strike as a strategy to generate extra income. The primary strategy for the S\&P 500 remains selling the 6,600 or 6,500 put options for the May trade, maintaining a very bullish view on stocks unless the US economy deteriorates or the Middle East conflict severely escalates.

  • Discussion on Pullback Timing and Current Trade Closure: Stephen Gavin asked if Stephen Cox was waiting for a pullback or a spike in volatility to enter the May trade and if the current bear put spread would be closed first. Stephen Cox clarified that waiting until the following week allows for the current trade to be closed off, thus removing the naked put position. They are hoping for a modest pullback to maximize income generation for the new trade, noting that strong resistance is still present near current highs.


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