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November 27th 2025 Members Meeting Recording

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Summary

Stephen Cox presented the high-probability short put strategy for UK and Ireland traders utilizing a tax-free environment, emphasizing its potential for a 60% annual tax-free ROI, and discussed risk management with Roy Tyrrell, explaining how losses are calculated and managed by rolling out and down the option. Stephen Cox advised Michael Carroll on adhering to the 5% out-of-the-money rule for setting strike prices and discussed timing trades using a high VIX, which Roy Tyrrell further enhanced by suggesting the RSI on the VIX chart as an ideal trigger. Finally, Stephen Cox offered specific advice to Richard Fitzgerald on Cotera Energy and Meta, recommended sufficient margin for Interactive Brokers and IG, and detailed trade exit rules for short-term trades using the 15-minute RSI.

Details

  • High Probability Short Put Strategy Stephen Cox emphasized the benefit of the short put strategy for those in the UK and Ireland using a tax-free environment, highlighting a potential 2.58% return on investment (ROI) within one month on a $10,000 account with a 99% probability of profit, which was 90% when the trade was initiated (00:03:20). They suggested that this strategy should form the major part of a trading plan and could yield a 60% tax-free ROI annually if consistently executed (00:06:45). Stephen Cox noted that the trade on SPY was initially put on at a difficult time and incurred a loss but was currently profitable (00:04:29).

  • Risk Management and Downside of Short Puts Roy Tyrrell asked about the downside risk and how a trade could go wrong (00:07:51). Stephen Cox explained that a loss is calculated by multiplying the difference between the strike price and the lower market price by the per-point bet size, then subtracting the initial income received. They provided an example where the S\&P 500 dropping to 6,000 would result in a loss of $1,750 on the trade, a scenario with a 1% statistical likelihood (00:08:45).

  • Managing a Short Put Trade Stephen Cox detailed the management technique of rolling out and down a short put option if the market starts falling towards the strike price, suggesting 6300 as a potential trigger for SPY. This involves buying back the current contract and selling a new one in a further out month at a lower strike price to reduce the break-even point. By rolling out to the January contract, the break-even price could be reduced to around 6,000 points without additional cost, equivalent to an 11.76% drop in SPY, which has a less than 10% chance of occurring (00:10:01) (00:12:35).

  • Trade Management and Setting Strike Price Michael Carroll inquired about using the same strike prices on IG and Interactive Brokers systems for trade management, and Stephen Cox confirmed that they would, provided the rule of staying 5% out of the money is adhered to. Stephen Cox advised that if the 5% out-of-the-money rule is followed, management would only be required for about one in every ten trades (00:13:35) (00:18:03). They stressed the importance of taking action before the option price drops below the strike price, as it becomes more difficult to roll out and down efficiently (00:22:02).

  • Timing Trades with the VIX and Volatility Stephen Cox explained that the best time to employ the short put strategy is when the VIX (volatility index) is high, as volatility increases the price of insurance, meaning more premium is collected when selling put options. They noted that a high VIX typically coincides with the S\&P 500 coming down (00:19:00). When the VIX is spiking and the market is fearful, traders can go further out of the money, possibly 8%, to gain more wiggle room and collect "big juicy premiums" (00:19:59).

  • Using RSI with the VIX Roy Tyrrell suggested using the Relative Strength Index (RSI) on the VIX chart, and Stephen Cox agreed that once the RSI approaches 70, it is an ideal trigger to start selling put option premium, as this indicates a potential snapback rally in the stock market (00:19:59) (00:23:57). Stephen Cox noted a strong inverse correlation between the VIX and the stock market (00:20:54).

  • Alternative Strategy for Market Rebound S G asked if there was a way to profit while holding a short put through a market downturn (00:25:45). Stephen Cox confirmed that traders are constantly generating income from the short put strategy. They suggested an alternative strategy where the income generated from selling puts could be used to buy call options, or even outright stock, to benefit from an anticipated market rebound, especially when the VIX shows extremes and a snapback rally is likely (00:23:57) (00:26:36).

  • Ratio Put Spread and Taking Off Long Put Stephen Cox discussed a ratio put spread trade, where they chose not to remove the long put option because of the potential for a larger drop, particularly influenced by Bitcoin's performance (00:29:44). Michael Carroll highlighted the risk of overpaying for long call options when implied volatility spikes during market events, which can sometimes lead to losses even if the stock price moves favorably (00:31:36).

  • Managing Margin in Options Accounts Stephen Cox advised on maintaining sufficient margin in Interactive Brokers (IBKR) and IG platforms to allow for maneuverability in trades (00:35:34). They recommended not utilizing more than 70% of the account value for margin in IBKR to avoid margin calls if trades move against the account (00:36:42). For IG, they suggested keeping the core S\&P 500 trade margin to around half the account value (00:37:59).

  • Short-Term Stock Updates Stephen Cox provided updates on specific stocks, stating an intention to exit MGM at $35.00 (00:37:59). They advised Michael Carroll to hold Alaska Airlines (ALK), which they had been assigned at $41.20, and wait for the target of $55.00 to $56.00, despite recent wobbles (00:39:00).

  • Day Trading Rules and Technical Indicators Stephen Cox expressed a preference for RSI and stochastics over other technical indicators like MACD for day trading, believing others offer little statistical advantage (00:40:05). They suggested refining day trading rules, such as waiting for the RSI to cross back down from 70 and observing two consecutive negative 15-minute candles before placing a trade (00:41:07). Stephen Cox also advised using a smaller bet size with a wider stop-loss to allow more room for a trade to stay in the market longer (00:42:10).

  • Exiting Short-Term Trades Stephen Cox shared that their rule for exiting short-term trades is when the RSI returns to 50 on a 15-minute chart, equating to roughly a 10-point move. They stressed the importance of taking losses on day trades if the stop is hit, maintaining discipline, and remembering that these are 50% probability bets (00:44:36).

  • Trading Against the Daily Trend Roy Tyrrell asked about placing a short trade on the British pound against the US dollar when an RSI alert triggered (00:45:31). Stephen Cox advised against this trade, pointing out that the daily chart showed a potential new upward trend emerging, and fighting the daily trend is generally not recommended (00:46:23).

  • Using Bollinger Bands Stephen Cox explained that Bollinger Bands can be used in conjunction with RSI, where the outer channels represent two standard deviations from the 20-period moving average, suggesting a low probability of price movement beyond those boundaries (00:48:16). They emphasized that Bollinger Bands are not foolproof and should not be used in isolation (00:49:16).

  • Investment Strategy Summary and Market Impact Stephen Cox reiterated the strength of the high probability put trade strategy for its high probability of return and time for maneuverability, contrasting it with the higher-risk, less predictable nature of day trading. They cautioned that charts are susceptible to disruption by unexpected news events (00:51:34).

  • Coterra Energy and Meta Stock Analysis Richard Fitzgerald sought input on Coterra Energy. Stephen Cox noted that natural gas prices are supportive, but expressed caution about the stock due to the risk of crude oil prices falling below $50 per barrel if there is a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine (00:53:34). Stephen Cox recommended buying Meta, believing it is undervalued and could revisit $800, potentially exceeding $1,000 once AI-related revenue optimization is demonstrated (00:55:49).

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